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Can Doyle's be saved?

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of this energy was spent on Methadone Mile

but JP gotta JP

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Not JP, you have people from all over the city/region who support Doyle’s.
Make the FB Page, we’ll all give it a “like”.

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Someone create a "Methadone Mile Sux" FB Page and everyone can "like" it.

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Saving Doyle’s, though a long shot in my opinion, is more easily accomplished than helping a community dealing with substance abuse and lost likely a myriad of underlying issues. A half million bucks gets a license, which then means cutting a deal with Ed Burke to keep the first floor while building above it.

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Doyle's, a bar, and its patrons, ARE a community dealing with substance abuse. Just because their substance of choice is "legal" and socially accepted doesn't change that. Shit is LITERALLY poison.
Full disclosure: I like booze and I like Doyle's
Relevant reading material:
https://local.theonion.com/city-s-alcoholism-rebranded-as-culture-183804...

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why, after all those years didn't they own the building?? control your destiny!

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The family does own the building. The family member who owns the bar apparently doesn't.

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This is a family issue. He can't buy the building because his uncle won't sell it to him. Why should the uncle sell his cash cow when he can gouge the nephew for tens of thousands in rent each month. Claddagh that!

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I haven't been to Doyle's since 2011 but surely if I join the Facebook group I will be doing my part.

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Yup, I bet most people in the group haven't been in forever and therefore are part of the problem. Nothing but crocodile tears.

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That liquor license is going to bring a ton of money to whoever holds the license. This isn't a case of a struggling little guy being pushed around by big, mean corporations where only a grassroots community effort a la 'A Wonderful Life' can save things. This is someone taking advantage of our backwards licensing laws to make a nice chunk of change. Why shouldn't he profit off of the existing system?

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Just pay Gerry Jr for the liquor license, agree to the higher rent being charged by his uncle (who bought the business back in the day along with Gerry Sr) and start running it yourself.

What's that? You want Gerry Jr. to just keep running this business for your benefit like this is Soviet Russia? GTFO.

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That poor trust funder who inherited a piece of paper worth half a million and is putting people out of work to cash in. Glad you have his back.

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Which kind of surprises me.

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Just find someone who knows how to run a business.This place is the very definition of a “Cash Cow”. Reap what you sow.

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Is there going to be a similar JP Facebook group to support the construction of 200+ affordable housing units, including supportive services for homeless, at the Pine Street Inn's proposed development just down Washington Street from Doyle's? Because none of these hyper-active JP residents showed up to the recent community meeting to support that project. The ones who did show up **of course** support the homeless, as long as they're somewhere else.

So is JP just a virtue signaling progressive community that tries to "save" a well-liked restaurant from closing because it hosted some community group meetings and political history? Or do people there care about actual substantive progressive goals like housing and supporting the homeless?

Think I'm kidding? Check out the story here, Page 1: https://bulletinnewspapers.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/4/8/114832579/boston_b...

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JP is doing it's fair share to address the housing crisis and homeless issues. It's the suburbs you should have an issue with.

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to oppose this specific development.

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to get a beer, and I certainly appreciate the history, but for how long have they been microwaving shitty Sysco food that can be purchased at Applebee's or Olive Garden?

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No, so who cares. Don’t be a sally and finish you Larry.

Can I say that in 2019, who give a crap.

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You’re drunk.

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The food, while basic, is actually not the worst I've had. And I'm there nearly every Sunday am. I can't speak to the dinner effort, but their breakfast and lunch (pretty good burger) is just fine. And not microwaved.

It's no crapplebees.

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I meet a friend there every few months for lunch - and it's always been pretty good - plus a great selection of beer.

Let's face it - Boston has pretty much sold its soul with the way the permit all these crappy developments with garbage design and materials. Granted, the way we drive up development costs around here - plus expensive labor - not much choice.

Probably two options - as some have suggested, a) Sam Adams takes it over and hopefully doesn't over-commercialize it or b) it gets landmarked and has to remain a restaurant.

Hope it can be preserved - but not holding my breath.

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The Sysco truck delivers to $-$$$$ restaurants.

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Why not instead put the effort towards supporting new* places, particularly ones which have good owners, food, and drinks? It need not be 100 years old to be a good place to grab a drink.

*New denoting places opened in the past 30 years.

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Seaport if you dislike neighborhood institutions.

Lots of shiny shit down there!

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Boston at it's finest: if it's new it must be hipster trash.

You won't believe this, but it's possible for a new place to open and become a neighborhood institution by having local owners who do good by their patrons. It doesn't take three generations.

Oh, and how's this for a mind fuck: In 80 years one of the recently opened seaport places will close (assuming it's not underwater) and the residents of the seaport will complain how the mayor isn't doing enough to preserve the neighborhood institutions.

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FWIW, an insider tells me that Gerry Burke expects a sharp decline in the trolley passengers going to the Sam Adams Brewery, then having a drink at Doyle's, now that Sam Adams Taproom is opening near Faneuil Hall. Apparently the Sam Adams tourists are a big part of the steady income.

Don't underestimate the impact of a sober Mayor too. When Ray Flynn was in office, his supporters and those looking for a city job or permit would practically live there. Menino wasn't much of a drinker but would still stop in. Subtract $1000 a day if there's no tourists and no City Hall crowd and you're talking a significant loss. If they don't do a total tear down, they could save the bar part and rent to a new owner or have a good carpenter move the actual bar and memorabilia to a new address. The collectibles, fixtures and name have a big value too, probably all will be auctioned or packaged in a deal. I could see the name and history being franchised for airports, etc. How many generic McCarthy's and O'Briens can you have?

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