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Two Irish brothers come to town for St. Patrick's, get drunk, harass some women at a Back Bay bar, get beaten up by a guy calling himself JFK

Update: Licensing board finds Dillon's did nothing wrong.

Two of three Irish brothers in town for the holiday who figured they'd check out Dillon's on Boylston Street ended their night at the fire house next door nursing fresh cuts on their foreheads from where a bar regular decked them after they refused to leave for being drunken arses on St. Patrick's Day eve, police and the bar's manager told the Boston Licensing Board today.

Bar manager Paul Wilson said the brothers, from Dublin, walked into Dillon's shortly after 9 p.m. on March 16, looking "like they had a few drinks on them," so the bartender kept a watch on them. A table of young women caught the brother's fancy and they went over to talk to them, but the problem was that the colleens wanted nothing to do with the broguey rogues and eventually the women asked the bartender to get the brothers to leave them alone.

According to police, the bartender decided it was time from the brothers to leave, and told them they had to settle up and depart. But they objected and began to argue with and insult the bartender - since, apparently, as they later told police, "they had nothing but good intentions for the girls" and even offered to pay their cab fare home.

And that was more than one bar regular, a 40-ish man with slick blond hair who goes by "JFK," could bear. So he lunged at the brothers and punched them to the ground, after which they did leave - and walked next door to Engine 33, where firefighters tended to their wounds, which consisted of small lacerations, until police arrived. The two then declined further treatment.

The licensing board decides tomorrow whether the eatery could have foreseen that a pair of intoxicated men from the auld sod would walk in and cause trouble and, if so, whether any punishment is warranted.

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Just checking with your ethics cause you are coming off as extraordinarily racist here.

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I literally just logged in to make a comment along the lines of "just before John Costello shows up and starts claiming racism against white people is a thing..."

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However ridiculous the original comment might have been. But racism is racism, it's not as if a certain kind of behavior is racist unless the protagonists belong to group X, Y, or Z.

If you're gonna preach, know better.

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Serious inquiry (with no real connection to this story) as I could always use educating:
A previous commenter implied that ‘racism against white people’ is not a ‘thing’.
Is that actually the popular belief?
Does the majority of Uhubers believe that white people, as a rule I guess, can not be victims of racism?

Adam, a suggestion: a sidebar section for non-story-related tangents.

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Just laugh because you can’t make this stuff up. Racism has been redefined and many people think either that only white people can be racist or that white people cannot be victims of racism, even when you get mugged while the people verbally classify you based on your skin color.

It’s a joke that the people of the future will find quite silly. The word has two definitions (individual and structural systems) and people are now trying to get rid of the first definition.

Racism can come from anyone. If someone doesn’t like that fact, they should make up a new word for whatever they need to talk about. You can’t just erase the definition of racism and have it always and only mean structural racism.

What happens when someone who is Asian accuses someone who is not white of racism?

In New York City, where anti-Asian hate crime soared nearly nine-fold in 2020 over the year before, only two of the 20 people arrested last year in connection with these attacks were white, according to New York Police Department data analyzed by the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism. Eleven were African Americans, six were white Hispanics and one was a Black Hispanic.

https://www.voanews.com/amp/usa_anti-asian-hate-crime-crosses-racial-and...

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We have a word for what you call " individual," discrimination.

If it's systemic, it's racism.

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To figure out what the racist part is.

John may be in a bad mood because he had to ride the bus again.

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Or is it just because I dared identify two guys from Dublin as "Irish"?

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or we would be reading comments about how they must be natural born child molesters. Irish and/or Catholic are two of the last remaining socially-acceptable stereotypes in our woke commonwealth.

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...to Richie Neal.

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You forgot to log in.

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Go stick your head up your in your own world highly principled tush.

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Irish enough nor Catholic enough to take offense here.

But do you have an example on here of a priest starting a spat in a bar and the comments that followed it here?

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"racist" means what you think it means

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150 years ago, the Irish were considered a distinct and inferior race by the English. Then again, today in many circles Jews are considered a distinct race by some but not by others.

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...will note that it isn't 150 years ago, and that the status of the Irish vis-a-vis the English 150 years ago has no appreciable residue in the United States today.

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Will notice that prejudice and ethnic slurring is in the eye of the beholder.

What was written is offensive as hell to me and to others.

That posting had all the journalistic integrity of a Geoff Diehl facebook posting or a guest column in Pax Centrurion.

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What was written is offensive as hell to me and to others.

That's a fair point. What I disagree with is bringing up the status of the Irish in the British Isles (or in this country, for that matter) 150 years ago as an indicator of how they are treated today. I'm not gonna make the case for ethnic stereotypes, or for some ethnic stereotypes being more or less harmful than others, although that is debatable (it's just not a debate that I think can be resolved). But the Irish in America today are not outsiders and not denied access to the halls of power, and have not been for a long time (relatively speaking for our young country). The practical effect of an ethnic stereotype from someone who has no power over any Irish person, will not result in anyone being denied a job, or housing, or education, or treatment by a medical professional, or access to a public accommodation.

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It’s 2022 and we’re still trying to convince the state house Boston can be trusted to give out liquor licenses. That harms all Bostonians. Creates some great opportunities for bribes though.

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Slavery had just been abolished in the United States. Yet we still talk about it. Personally, I think it's good that slavery is still mentioned. In the same vein, I also won't pretend that the ascendant Protestant classes in the United States did not consider the Irish to be the same race as them at the same time.

I suppose the racism, much like the concept of "race," is a subjective concept. That doesn't mean that using hackneyed dog whistle phrases to describe members of a certain nationality is right.

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Is everything written considered racist if it is not generated by an androgynous censored robot algorithm? I may be wrong in the minds of others, but along the lines of my own moral compass, it's only racism if someone is trying to hurt a race.
The question you have to ask is does the author actually intend to harm this race? Or are they making a lighthearted joke, riffing off the culture. How do you know the joke was not written lovingly of the culture? Like appreciating that it is both neat and funny they call ladies colleens? Because if jokes cannot exist anymore and we have to pretend that different groups of people are not different then I don't really know why I am sticking around in this country. Jokes not allowed because people are "too nice" and "too afraid of playful words" meanwhile gun violence and actual physical harm is totally cool. Makes so much sense. Sounds like a great place.

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It's good to see we have have real men left in the city which has more tools than my local hardware store. Now if only JFK would ride the subway to defend females who are accosted daily.

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they objected and began to argue with and insult the bartender

he lunged at the brothers and punched them to the ground

its one thing to defend some young ladies but are you allowed to just assault people who are arguing?

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So I am going to assume he made good his escape.

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Can easily find him if they want, at the JFK Library.

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World of Warcraft gamers popularized the accidental misspelling of rogues as rouges, but I can't tell if this new hybrid is an intentional joke or some sort of new abomination =P

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Mistake fixed.

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This never would have happened in South Boston.

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also at the City Winery on Feb. 19? Cause I'm pretty sure I've seen this play before.

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