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Southie gentrification continues apace: Neighborhood to get another Starbucks, this time way on the other side of Dorchester Street

Renovation permit for new Starbucks

Eileen Murphy reports on the newest addition to what's becoming South Boston's Caffeine Corner: A Starbucks, for which renovation is now underway at L Street and East Broadway, opening where developer Michael Norton once proposed a restaurant.

Starbucks joining DD, Cumbies, & Boston Bagel on L St.

There's already a Starbucks near Broadway station and, of course, on the South Boston waterfront.

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Still nothing in great communities like Roxbury and Hyde Park. Am I missing something?

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People are counting down the days until Green T opens up.

I don't think there are any Starbucks in JP, either, but it does have some fancy-shmancy Eurocafe thingie.

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when they tried to get a spot in Centre. But we do have a ton of good coffee and pastries--I don't think anyone's going uncaffeinated.

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There are numerous places in JP where one can do better than Starbucks, fortunately.

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in Roxbury they'd go except for Dudley which has a DD but also Haley House and the fab new Dudley Cafe. I'd hate to see a Starbucks go in there.

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Allston/Brighton in the making.....absolute shame. Boston's most authentic/cherished neighborhood rapidly going down the drain.

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gimme a break

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Everybody likes Starbucks, it's clean , coffee is good, comfortable seating, you can feel right at home , bring your laptop , meet people, you can do the same at a dunkin donuts ,but it's not quite what people want to be . The white collar crowd with the $150k a year jobs probably demanded a Starbucks, the people who spent $799k for a 1 bedroom condo want more bang for their buck.
And Starbucks should be in Eastie as well, there is one in Charlestown, a couple in Allston, it's Easties turn now.

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I don't see one on their Store Locator page (though I do see one in Chelsea, an even more unlikely locale for them)

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1. Coffee in Starbucks is not good. Dunkin' Donuts coffee is generally good because unlike Starbucks they don't over-roast [burn] the beans. Of course anyone who is actually from the city [or long time resident anyhow] will tell you that Coffee Connection was the best, and they would be correct. Too bad they got killed Borg-style by Starbucks.

2. You don't hang around after getting your coffee. Buy it and get the hell out. If you want to pretend to write a novel, study, etc. do it at home please.

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The founder has a new shop, George Howell Coffee in Newton, which is slowly growing into a small local chain.

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Starbucks espresso is over-roasted, burnt tasting. They push sugary milk coffee drinks to conceal this fact.

Dunks filter coffee is thin and watery; their espresso is unspeakable.

Screw both of 'em, I say.

Howell's coffee is indeed terrific. I interviewed him for BoMag a few years ago when he was just getting back into the coffee business. His new innovation at the time was bagging beans at the plantation in a material that keeps the beans fresher than the loose-weave burlap bags that are commonly used. Coffee made from his beans is an option at many of the better indie cafes around town, including True Grounds, if memory serves.

In addition to the Newtonville cafe, there's one at the Boston Public Market, and another one forthcoming at the new Godfrey Hotel in DTX.

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...and Howell's does rule.

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Starbucks does over roast but offers smoother alternatives--that few people buy.

DD generally good----that was funny.

Coffee Connection was BOUGHT by evil Starbucks.

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I don't go to Starbucks for their coffee, but their iced tea is not too bad. And yes, it has become "glue your eyes to the $#^&[email protected]#% computer monitor" central, so I either grab it and go or find a Starbucks that isn't as crowded.

I don't think any of the coffee shops in the past would ever tolerate the amount of self-absorbed narcissism that reigns at Starbucks. "Honey, put that thing away before I pour coffee all over it. This ain't your home and you ain't Ernest Hemingway."

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I don't understand why Starbucks does this, since it results in people continuing to occupy seats for hours without spending any additional money.

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there are no colleges close by.and even if there were....the rents are too high.

I know a few 20-somethings bros that got priced out to Dorchester.

SoBo is headed towards becoming a South End...and probably better because there will be high paying jobs in the Innovation District / South Boston Waterfront.

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If Suffolk students can learn to take the Blue Line in from East Boston, they can learn to take the Red Line in from Broadway - where they'll all be crammed into those condos owned by foreign investors.

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...the rent at those condos near the Broadway T Stop is going to be very expensive for college students.

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Southie is never going to be like the south end.

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...When people said the South End would be like Back Bay...they said:

"Oh honey. The South End is never going to be like Back Bay"

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The price per square foot is different. The feel of the neighborhoods and the people that live in them are quite different. Most South Enders would not want to live in back bay. And vice versa.

And the differences between southie and the south end are even more pronounced. The building stock, distribution of green space, demographics, and access to culture and arts could not be more different.

Property values have risen dramatically in southie. That's a far cry from the type of radical transformation required to make southie the new south end.

A wise man knows his limitations. You should stick to trolling your neighbors who helped build up your neighborhood.

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"The feel of the neighborhoods and the people that live in them are quite different"

Many of my colleagues live in both neighborhoods and they are spitting images of one another.

I mean, this is Boston....everyone is the same. Hopefully that will change over the coming years and we become a more international, world class city.

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I am genuinely curious; where are you from and why did you move here? What made you pick South Boston?

I only ask because you seem to really dislike the people, the area and the history.

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Now I know you're trolling. Goodnight sweetie.

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Um...no. They're not. Sweet Jesus that's the dumbest thing ever written. Sad wishful thinking.

Edit: meant dumb to say they're exactly the same. Never have been, never will be.

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I invite you to read my post again.

The PEOPLE of Boston are all the same but that is changing as people not from New England continue to move in.

Hopefully we won't see another video like this:

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I haven't read an answer yet, if I missed it I'm sorry, re: where are you from? Why South Boston and a city that is filled with people and history you seem to dislike?

Really curious where you're as it may give insight as to your attitude.

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is a longish walk but a very short bike ride from much of Southie.

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..Umass students:

1. Can't afford to live in South Boston.
2. For the few that could, I'd think they would want to live closer to campus and closer to their classmates in Dorchester.

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Allston is arguably the best Boston neighborhood for restaurants. Southie is possibly the worst. Few people cherish the old Southie and the terrible stereotypes it popularized about Boston.

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Boston's most authentic/cherished neighborhood

FOR ME TO POOP ON!....and have nobody pick it up!

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This isn't due to gentrification. It's due to stupid government regulation. The owners wanted to create a sit-down restaurant in this building. They applied for a liquor license and were denied. Because instead of giving liquor licenses to anyone who meets the responsibilities and requirements for serving alcohol, we give them to only the few people who show up in line first, or can pay for them (or know who to bribe).

Clearly, a coffee shop is their second choice, but since we don't have an arbitrary caffeine license cap, it's apparently their only option.

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That's what happens when you have outdated rules by hack politicians. We need to gentrify the political scene next!

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South Boston is becoming Lexington never mind the South End, with all the expensive new condo development going on all over Southie, new clapboard style buildings all done up right, with each unit going for more than $700k it's got to be one of the most expensive real estate in Eastern Massachusetts.

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Lexington has top notch schools.

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Boston has the #1 public school in state.

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Which I guess is now known only for its school rankings, but whatever. As cool as that is (plus, BLA and the O'Bryant got ranked really high as well), let's not kid ourselves that BPS doesn't still have issues. We're hardly at the point where choosing a high school (or for that matter, trying to choose an elementary school) is not still kind of an agonizing issue.

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A lot of north shore types from Medford to Lynnfield are starting to buy homes in Lexington, Lexington was always a place for doctors and Lawyers to live in, now it's construction company owners restaurant owners to your ordinary north shore type of person trying to fit in a community that has always been known for great schools.

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I've seen the end of the universe, and it happens to be in the United States and, oddly enough, it's in Houston, Texas. I know -- I was shocked, too. Imagine my surprise when I left a comedy club one day and walked to the end of the block, and there on one corner was a Starbucks, and across the street from that Starbucks, in the exact same building as that Starbucks, there was -- a Starbucks. I looked back and forth, thinking the sun was playing tricks with my eyes. That there was a Starbucks across from a Starbucks -- and that, my friends, is the end of the universe. --Lewis Black

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It could be much worse. Try Tulsa. 4 corner residents at your average intersection: Denny's, Cow Pasture, Gas Station, Gas Station.

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I, for one, am happy to welcome our new coffee overlords to this side of Southie. Assberry and Boston Ass Company just don't cut it.

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For those of use who don't live in Southie and aren't familiar with its coffee shops, can you give us the standard names for these two places?

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the Ass-Man is referring to Cranberry Cafe and Boston Bagel Company.

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The same Cranberry Cafe that's home to the only actual espresso machine in a 4 block radius? Excuse me if I discount his or her opinion. 90% off. Everything must go.

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I'm from Rozie and would kill for one to open up in the Sq versus that tainted water DD sells.

Not to mention my 80 yo grandfather drinks it, good coffee is good coffee.

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Green T is opening across from Fallon and there's some other kind of Coffee place opening in the old greek bakery. Based on the number of places that are now sitting empty along Corinth I don't know if we can support a starbux

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Well at least it's not a bank....
or a CVS
or another DD

*ducks*

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I was brewed down on “A” Street,
My barista lives on “B Street,
Southie is my hometown;
There is something about it,
Espresso just shout it,
It is tops for miles around;
We have latte and Mocha,
Iced and coca,
Yuppies looking to get down;
They will tip you then stiff you,
But they’ll never condo convert you;
For Southie is my hometown

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Yes, the only "real" Starbucks in the South Boston Waterfront Seaport Innovation District is the one in the Vertex building at 48 Northern Ave (takes Starbucks cards); the others are faux Starbucks. And, as you mention, there is one at 11 West Broadway, which seems to be popular.

The one at 601 Congress Street doesn't even have wi-fi and the one in the Westin doesn't count in any way shape or form.

There is a new "real" Starbucks opening real soon in the Fort Point Channel, across from the Children's Museum.

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We'd love a Starbucks in Dorchester!!!! Unfortunately we're only allowed nail salons and banks.

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Maybe this will cut down on the double parking in front of PS gourmet. I never understood the obsession with the bucket of coffee.

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Shame we couldn't get one of our local chainlets in there, Barrington, Thinking Cup, Pavement, Render, BoCoCo, Blue State etc.

What I dislike about Starbucks is they don't serve food, their shrink-wrapped pastries don't qualify. Also loathe the soulless decor and atmosphere.

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